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Uporabniki (IE): VisualEditor je trenutno onemogočen za uporabnike IE9 and IE10, zaradi različnih popravkov programske opreme. VE ne bo na voljo uporabnikom IE8 in starejšim verzijam. Če uporabljate te starejše verzije IE in želite urejati z VisualEditorjem, boste morali uporabiti drugi spletni brskalnik..

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Ta stran je prostor kjer lahko poveste Wikimedia razvijalcem na kakšne probleme ste naleteli pri uporabi VisualEditorja na Wikipediji. To je še vedno testna verzija, ki vsebuje nekatere že znane probleme in manjkajoče funkcionalnosti. Vaše povratne informacije in ideje so dobrodošle.

VisualEditor vodič je na voljo na Wikipedija:VisualEditor/Vodič.

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Splošno[uredi | uredi kodo]

Kaj je VisualEditor?
VisualEditor je programska oprema, ki jo razvija Wikimedia Foundation in bo ljudem omogočala urejanje strani brez potrebnega znanja o sintaksah wiki besedila. Z VisualEditorjem bo oblikovanje strani delovalo zelo podobno kot pri urejevalnikih besedil – med urejanjem bo besedilo videti enako, kot bo videti po shranjevanju.
Zakaj takšna sprememba?
Največja težava pri prvem urejanju je zapletenost wiki oznak, ki so uporabljene pri starem urejevalnem oknu. Za mnoge ljudi je to najtežja prepreka na začetku poti, da bi postali produktivni in izkušeni člani skupnosti. Da bi povečali število uspešnih prvih poizkusov urejanja, potrebujemo boljši urejevalni sistem.
Kje se lahko naučim več o uporabi VisualEditorja?
Prosimo poglejte VisualEditor Uporabniški priročnik.
Ali VisualEditor avtomatično popravlja strani?
V večini primerov VisualEditor ne bo spreminjal formata vrstic, ki niso direktno urejane. V primerih ko so že uporabljeni označevalci nepravilno uporabljeni (na primer nezaključene tabele), jih lahko poskusi popraviti.
Kako lahko onemogočim VisualEditor?
Za klasičen wikitext urejevalnik, preprosto kliknite na zavihek "Uredi izvorno kodo" namesto na "Uredi". V razdelku za urejanje povezav lahko odprete klasičen wikitext urejevalnik za ta razdelek s klikom na "uredi izvorno kodo" namesto na običajno "uredi". Če bi iz uporabniškega vmesnika radi popolnoma odstranili VisualEditor, potem pojdite na Zavihek Urejanje na vaši strani z Nastavitvami, kliknite opcijo "Omogoči VisualEditor (samo v glavnem in uporabniškem imenskem prostoru)", ter kliknite na gumb Shrani, ki se nahaja na dnu strani.
Ali bo še vedno omogočena uporaba klasičnega wikitext urejevalnika, ko bo VisualEditor postal osnovni vmesnik za urejanje?
Da. Ko bo VisualEditor postal prednastavljeni urejevalnik, bo metoda urejanja osnovnega "izvornega" besedila ša vedno obstajala. V načrtu nimamo odstranitev opcije "Uredi izvorno kodo".
Zakaj moj spletni brskalnik ni podprt?
Gradnja modernega vmesnika za urejanje Wikipedije in njenih sestrskih wiki projektov je tehnični izziv, vendar pa je omogočena uporaba modernih spletnih tehnologij in standardov. Na žalost nekateri spletni brskalniki ne podpirajo vseh posebnosti, ki ji potrebujemo za VisualEditor. Trudimo se po najboljših močeh, da bi podprli najosnovnejše spletne brskalnike: VisualEditor dobro deluje z najnovejšimi verzijami brskalnikov Firefox, Chrome in Safari, kmalu bo na voljo tudi podpora za Internet Explorer 9. Kakorkoli, poskušanje izogibanje omejitvam starejših brskalnikov bi preusmerila vire od izboljšav od katerih ima korist večina uporabnikov. Spodbujamo vas, da nadgradite vaš brskalnik in, če tega ne morete, še naprej uporabljajte klasičen wikitext urejevalnik.br>Od 14. avgusta 2013 so podprti ("whitelisted") spletni brskalniki Firefox 15 in novejši; Iceweasel 10 in novejši; Safari 5 in novejši in Chrome 19 in novejši. Nepodprti ("blacklisted") spletni brskalniki so vse verzije Internet Explorerja; Android 2 in starejši; Firefox 14 in starejši; Opera 11 in starejši in vse verzije BlackBerrya. Spletni brskalniki, ki niso na teh dveh seznamih, lahko uporabljajo VisualEditor, toda ne vemo, če bo na njih vse delovalo normalno.
Vas skrbi potencialni porast vandalizma?
Eden izmed ciljev testiranj naključno izbranih novih uporabnikov izvedenih na angleški Wikipediji v mesecu juniju je bil prav raziskovanje tega vprašanja. Realno gledano, mislimo, da tisti, ki prihajajo z namenom vandaliziranja, verjetno to počnejo že sedaj. Enako hitro (če ne hitreje) je izbrati zavihek “Uredi izvorno kodo” in prazno stran z uporabo wikitext urejevalnika, kot pa isto storiti z VisualEditorjem.
Ali ne bo to upočasnilo branje in urejanje uporabniko s počasnejšimi povezavami ali računalniki?
VisualEditor nalaga svojo kodo le ko urejate strab v VisualEditorju. Torej, če še vedno uporabljate "Uredi izvorno kodo" ali le berete stran, potem je efekt VisualEditorja zanemarljiv (~4KB dodatnega JavaScripta predno kliknete "Uredi" ali približno 0.5% za tipično stran). Vaš spletni brskalnik si običajno predpomi JavaScript, kar pospeši izvajanje četudi uporabljate počasnejšo povezavo. Kakorkoli, uporaba VisualEditorja lahko povzroči težave na počasnejših računalnikih ali povezavah. Razvijalci VisualEditorja poskušajo pohitriti nalaganje in izvajanje VisualEditorija. Za te uporabnike je najboljša možnost izklop VisulaEditorja.
Ali VisualEditor deluje z Wikivirovim ProofreadPage ali Wikislovarjevimi predlogami in ostalimi funkcijami, ki jih Wikipedija nima?
VisualEditor je trenutno omogočen le na Wikipedijinih straneh, toda njegova zasnova je dovol fleksibilna, da se bo lahko uporabljal na vseh Wikimedijinih straneh. Po vključitvi v Wikipediji bomo delali na tem, da bo VisualEditor dobro deloval tudi s funkcijami specifičnimi za sestrske projekte.
Zakaj uvajate programsko opremo tako hitro? Ni videti dokončana.
Programska oprema vsekakor ni dokončana; dodati se morajo nekatere funkcionalnosti. Poleg tega pa smo prepričani, da bo programska oprema po vključitvi vsebovala tudi hrošče. Do tega ne pride zaradi slabo napisane programske opreme ali ker ni dokončana - to je zaradi tega, ker so to šele začetni programi. Hrošči so neizogibni: MediaWiki sama je stara 10 let in vedno znova najdemo stvari, ki bi bile lahko boljše ali stvari, ki nepričakovano delujejo nepravilno. Če bi čakali, da bi bil VisualEditor popolnoma brez hroščev, ne bi bil nikoli vključen.Konec koncev je najboljši način za odkrivanje hroščev ta, da ima veliko ljudi na voljo vpogled, uporabo in možnost igranja s programsko opremo. Čeprav so lahko hrošči kratkotrajno moteči, bodo le-ti odpravljeni in takšna uvedba nam omogoča njihovo prepoznavo in odpravo.
Našel sem problem v VisualEditorju. Kako vas lahko o tem obvestim, da boste težavo lahko odpravili?
Če ste pripravljeni in sposobni, vas prosimo, da poročate o problemu na bugzilla za produkt "VisualEditor". Na naši Wikipedijai imamo tudi posebno stran namenjeno povratnim informacijam (feedback). Obstajajo štirje osnovni tipi problemov o katerih bi morali razvijalci biti obveščeni:
  1. Nekaj ne deluje pravilno: Napaka lahko vpliva le na določen tip spletnega brskalnika ali računalnika, le na določeno stran ali po izvajanju nečesa. Prosimo vas, da nam sporočite vaš problem na Wikipedija:VisualEditor/Feedback. V vašem opisu nam je v pomoč, da a vključite informacije o tem kaj ste želeli narediti, o vašem spletnem brskalniku, operacijskem sistemu računalnika in povezavo na članek ali razlike iz zgodovine urejanja, če ste ste spremembe lahko shranili.
  2. Performančni problemi: VisualEditor trenutno deluje počasneje kot bi si to želeli, čeprav se to stalno izboljšuje. Kakorkoli, če se nekaj nalaga nepričakovano počasneje ali se določen ukaz izvaja zelo počasi ali pa se je včasih to izvajalo hitreje , vas prosimo, da o tem poročate.
  3. Uporabniške izkušnje: Če nekaj ne razumete oz. vam je pretežavno ali pa ne morete ugotoviti kaj morate narediti (v Wikipedija:VisualEditor/Vodič so osnove), vas prosimo, da o tem spregovorite.
  4. Manjkajoča funkcionalnost: Bi radi nekaj naredili, pa VisualEditor tega trenutno ne podpira, kot je to npr. urejanje matematičnih formul ali pregledovanje skritih komentarjev, ki vsebujejo navodila za druge urejevalce? Najprej se prepričajte, ali je manjkajoča funkcionalnost že na razvijalskem seznamu potrebnih funkcionalnosti. Če bi radi vedeli o katerih manjkajočih fonkcionalnostih so že poročali, lahko to poiščete na pogovornih straneh arhivov in v feedback arhivih.
Neka funkcionalnost v VisualEditorju manjka. Kako lahko zaprosim za pomoč?
Nekatere funkcionalnosti se trenutno razvijajo ali pa so v postopku načrtovanja (kot je to oblikovanje slik, dodajanje stolpcev in vrstic v tabelo, dodajanje matematičnih formul). Akcijski načrt in Wikimedijini osnutki tehničnih ciljev za 2013–2014 prav tako ponujajo nekatere dodatne informacije. Če ne morete najti kakršnekoli omembe nove funkcionalnosti, ki bi jo radi predlagali, vas prosimo da uporabite enake postopke kot so pri prijavljanju napak.
However, the developers are paying close attention to the deployment; if something goes critically wrong, then we can and will delay the deployment (as we have done previously, with the A/B test) or, after deployment, temporarily disable the software.
Ali lahko instaliram VisualEditor na moj osebni wiki zunaj Wikimedije?
Da, na lastno odgovornost. VisualEditor in Parsoid razširitve so dostopne za nalaganje, ampak so še vedno v eksperimentalni fazi; bodite pozorni na to, da Parsoid zahteva nodeJS. Če jih instalirate in uporabite, nas prosim obvestite kaj je delovalo in kaj ni v Bugzilla.
Moje vprašanje se ne nahaja tukaj. Kje lahko vprašam?
Vprašate lahko na VisualEditorjevi posebni strani namenjeno povratnim informacijam (feedback page) na vaši wiki (glej seznam na Wikidata) ali na osrednji feedback strani na mediawiki.org.

Hitrost nalaganja[uredi | uredi kodo]

Status Potrjen
Opis Dolgi članki se nalagajo veliko počasneje kot če uporabljaš "uredi izvorno kodo".
Možna ponovitev:
Operacijski sistem Windows 8
Spletni brskalnik Chrome
Stran (članek) Združene države Amerike
Obhodna pot
Koža
Rešitev
Bugzilla

Primer 19:29, 10. avgust 2013 (UTC)

To je poznan problem, za več podrobnosti glej Wikipedija:VisualEditor#Omejitve. --Pinky sl (pogovor) 13:06, 22. avgust 2013 (CEST)

Hi there! As of today there are at least four main bugs related to slowness:
If you add yourself to the CC list for one or all of them, you will be notified in real time about changes to those bugs via email. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 21:49, 9. september 2013 (CEST)

Pogovorno okno za shranjevanje - napaka[uredi | uredi kodo]

Tole je prenešeno iz pogovorne strani en:User_talk:PEarley_(WMF)#Save your changes dialog box, ki skrbi za delovanje VisualEditorja na manjših Wikipedijah.

I am writing User guide for :sl users. So, I noticed something strange when I click green button "Save page" (:sl Shrani stran). Inside Save your changes dialog box (:sl Shranite vnesene spremembe) there is some stuff that belogs to standard wikitext editor (blue and red box). --Pinky sl (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Very interesting. I'll do some screenshots and show them to the developers ... Again, thanks for reporting. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. --Pinky sl (talk) 18:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
We're discussing this right now, will update. And thanks so much for working on the User Guide - it will make life much easier for sl.wiki editors. We are also discussing potential rollout dates for sl.wiki. Do you have any thoughts? One date we are looking at is September 9th. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Not until I finish our User guide (text it is almost done, but images is still in english version; then I must also prepare some basic TemplateData - at least for editing references). As I said, we are small community. What do you mean with roll out date? --Pinky sl (talk) 06:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Currently the save page dialog looks like this. The blue box is slightly modified char insert tool - we use it for shortcuts to most commonly used wiki-markup. The code is implemented in MediaWiki:Summary, because it has a better location relative to the edit source window (which also seems to be the problem, as the usual place for such tools is MediaWiki:Edittools). --Miha 22:38, 8. september 2013 (CEST)
I will see if we can have separate save dialogs for Wikitext and VisualEditor, so that we can keep the insert tool in the wikitext editor. It is undesirable for VisualEditor, because VE doesn't support markup, and this would be confusing to new editors. PEarley (WMF) (pogovor) 19:27, 9. september 2013 (CEST)
So, we just have to wait? --Pinky sl (pogovor) 09:39, 10. september 2013 (CEST)
Hi Pinky sl! For this specific thing, yes, we'll let you know ASAP. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 16:28, 11. september 2013 (CEST)
Is there anything new regarding this matter? I'll temporaly move this charselection box to where it should belong, because the roll-out date of VE for sl.wiki is tomorrow. I just hope that our regular contributers will not be too distracted by this change. A temporal hack is to add $("#editpage-specialchars").prependTo(".editOptions"); to user's vector.js. --Miha 18:47, 29. september 2013 (CEST)
Hi Miha, I'm verifying. I added that line and refreshed the page, but I don't think I see those characters while VEditing? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 10:40, 30. september 2013 (CEST)
PS: also, I probably have misunderstood this. The bar contains markup which can't be used with VE right now, which is the reason why also the other Wikipedias do not have it. I don't think there are problems with your move, I'll let you know, in case. --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 16:09, 30. september 2013 (CEST)
Yeah that's right. The charselection box, which's really only used as a shortcut to common wiki-markup fragments, is only needed in the legacy source editor to help boost our productivity ;) We don't need any special chars in VistualEditor - čšž are already present on most of the keyboards/laptops bought in Slovenia. --Miha 23:24, 30. september 2013 (CEST)
Glad to hear this! Happy wikiediting anyway - and do consider testing VE, from time to time ;) --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 12:40, 1. oktober 2013 (CEST)

References / citations[uredi | uredi kodo]

On slovenian Wikipedia we've been using citation templates for web, books, and magazines in shortcuts below editing area. I find referencing in VE inadequate for precise management. If adding reference, there should be question "What kind of reference would you like to add?" Nearby, dropdown menu with default setting for WEB as currently probably most active should be presented. After you would select proper citation type from dropdown, more/apropriate metadata would apper to fill in. The same goes for picture, which is lacking of key elements to enter on user dialog. Currently, you have to start typing in - and I had no idea what to start type in even after more than a year above average editing. That's why dropdown menus arebetter - they offer you complete list of templates availble. You will master the caching, i have no doubt about it ;) brg. --ModriDirkac (pogovor) 23:44, 10. oktober 2013 (CEST)

Hi there! Well, improvements are definitely on their way :) Can I suggest you take a look at these proposals, for example, and participate to the related discussion? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 09:54, 11. oktober 2013 (CEST)

Copying references / citations[uredi | uredi kodo]

My experience so far has been that 30%-50% of the articles' content (byte wise) is "consumed" by references (<ref> .... </ref>) - they are shortened/stenographed to [nn] when the article is displayed.

Now to the Visual Editor context: not being able to copy and paste the [nn] shorthand between pages is a major hairball in Visual Editor for me. A typical case is source quotes in the English source, that need to be inserted into a translation. One needs to go down below the deck into code to do it. And needs to do that again and again to avoid losing track of the references - with the common and expected outcome of losing track of thought.

I've seen a number of articles that smacked of translations, but were utterly void of any source quotes. I would dare to assume this was at least in part due to the use of the Visual Editor. The current functionality of the Visual Editor simply invites one to turn blind eye on references.

Of course I may be dead wrong, ignoring something rather obivous, but be sure I will be the first to sing hosannah if that's the case. SmozBleda (pogovor)

Hello :) It would help me a lot if you could list some actual examples. Copy/pasting references should be now possible. See here for example, where I took a random reference from the Charlot article from sv.wp and pasted it somewhere inside my sandbox at the Italian Wikipedia. So, this might still be not fully stable. But in the end it is not different from what happens with wikicode. If you take a reference which is generated by a template on, say, en.wp, and copy/paste that here, it is not going to work if you don't have a local version of that template, and if the name you use for it is different. And even in this case, it will still require some extra work. If you take a look at the reference I pasted, it is OK, but I'll still need to translate some of its content, otherwise dates will be displayed in your language, not in mine. Anyway, adding references in VE is going to change really soon, so that might help as well. HTH, --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 14:03, 25. marec 2014 (CET)

November office hours for VE[uredi | uredi kodo]

Please see Wikipedija:Pod_lipo#November_office_hours_for_VisualEditor! TL;DR: 2. novembra ob 18h po našem času bodo imeli razvijalci uradne ure, kjer bodo prek IRC-a odgovarjali na vprašanja o VisualEditorju. Vprašanja lahko postavljate direktno tam, v nasprotnem primeru napišite tukaj do petka in bomo prevedli, če bo treba. (Thanks, Yerpo!) --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 19:52, 28. oktober 2013 (CET)

Internal link glitch[uredi | uredi kodo]

Status Zaprt
Opis VE inserts a <nowiki/> tag when creating interwiki links from parts of a word. - see diff
Možna ponovitev: In editing mode, select the root of a word that is equal to a first-person singular noun and link it to a corresponding article
Operacijski sistem Win 7
Spletni brskalnik Firefox
Stran (članek) Lipa, Miren - Kostanjevica
Obhodna pot
Koža Vector
Rešitev
Bugzilla

Yerpo Ha? 13:37, 29. oktober 2013 (CET)

I think James Forrester's explanation here applies. Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 15:33, 29. oktober 2013 (CET)
Yes, this appears to be the same issue, thanks for the reference. However, I think that VisualEditor should be programmed to give sensible wiki syntax, not elaborate HTML workarounds for layout that wasn't even intended. If wiki syntax offers linking only the root of a word to display the whole word linked, then that's probably what the average user will want to achieve by highlighting the root and making it linked. I can't imagine why would someone want only part of the word linked, but if they do, it's a highly specialized use that doesn't really need to be supported by VE. — Yerpo Ha? 18:47, 29. oktober 2013 (CET)

December office hours for VisualEditor[uredi | uredi kodo]

Hi all, please see Wikipedija:Pod_lipo#December_office_hours_for_VisualEditor. Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 17:37, 19. november 2013 (CET)

VisualEditor updates[uredi | uredi kodo]

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in April.
Saturday 2014-04-19, at 20:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
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--Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:41, 7. april 2014 (CEST)

VisualEditor office hour in May[uredi | uredi kodo]

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in May.
Monday 2014-05-19, at 18:00 UTC.
The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.
If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.
Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (pogovor) 17:47, 9. maj 2014 (CEST)

VisualEditor global newsletter—May 2014[uredi | uredi kodo]

This is a one-time mailing to projects that may need this information. Future newsletters will be available as opt-in only. To receive future newsletters (about one per month), please add your page to the subscribers' list at m:VisualEditor/Newsletter. You're welcome to translate to your language.


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

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Did you know?

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Navedi" menu, press "Navedi" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Navedi" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Osnovno" item in the "Vstavi" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Navedi". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Osnovno" item in the "Vstavi" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Jezik" tool in the "Vstavi" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Vstavi" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Prekliči" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Predstavnost" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Oblikujte besedilo" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Shrani stran" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Bližnjične tipke" link will be moved out of the "Možnosti strani" menu, into the "Pomoč" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 19:39, 22. maj 2014 (CEST)

VisualEditor office hours in June and July[uredi | uredi kodo]

Please help translate this message in your language. Thanks :)

Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that community liaisons invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well.

Thanks for your attention! --Elitre (WMF) 23:24, 9. junij 2014 (CEST)

Updates related to VisualEditor[uredi | uredi kodo]

Please help translate this message in your language. Thanks :)

Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that we invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well (please subscribe your talk page there to get the latest news about the software).

Most of the VisualEditor team will be at Wikimania in London in August! You'll be able to meet the developers during the Hackaton or at the following sessions:

WMF community liaisons will share a booth with community advocates at the Community Village and look forward to talking to you there. Thanks for your attention! --User:Elitre (WMF) 18:02, 31. julij 2014 (CEST)

VisualEditor global newsletter—July and August 2014[uredi | uredi kodo]

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The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

Screenshot of VisualEditor's link tool
Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "Navedi" menu, including the "Osnovno" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Vstavi" menu. The "Seznam sklicev" is still added via the "Vstavi" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead[uredi | uredi kodo]

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities[uredi | uredi kodo]

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30. There is a VisualEditor Translation Sprint going on during Wikimania; whether you're in London or not, any contributions are welcome!

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF), 16:40, 9. avgust 2014 (CEST)